Comments on: Emerging Choices and Constraint http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/emerging-choices-and-constraint/ Sociological Social Psychology Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:53:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: pitse1eh http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/emerging-choices-and-constraint/#comment-96 pitse1eh Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:43:58 +0000 http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/?p=58#comment-96 What do you mean by the relative openness of the group? It's not the group that I think is open (or permeable)rather the structure or, more specifically, the meanings within the structure that become open when new identities meanings are possible. What I'm arguing is that immigrants (specifically Latinos/as) in these new destinations are able to keep something closer to their sending community ethnic identities because they are able to enact those identities and verify them within the community (with other Latinos/as). As such, this saliency makes it more possible to attempt to subvert altercasting by "Anglos" within the new communities. As such, they are (to some extent) able to buck the meanings within the current structure. As they continue to do so, and as the Anglos will also be motivated to have successful interactions, the meanings in the structure should change. I don't think it would be a 100% change, but a new identity will emerge (and new meanings in the structure to support this identity) that is neither the original identity nor the structurally suggested identity. It will be a hybrid, with elements of both. This is neither complete agency nor complete constraint, but a synthesis of the two. Is this answering your question, or am I misunderstanding you? It's great to have someone question this so I can think through more of my logic! What do you mean by the relative openness of the group? It’s not the group that I think is open (or permeable)rather the structure or, more specifically, the meanings within the structure that become open when new identities meanings are possible. What I’m arguing is that immigrants (specifically Latinos/as) in these new destinations are able to keep something closer to their sending community ethnic identities because they are able to enact those identities and verify them within the community (with other Latinos/as). As such, this saliency makes it more possible to attempt to subvert altercasting by “Anglos” within the new communities. As such, they are (to some extent) able to buck the meanings within the current structure. As they continue to do so, and as the Anglos will also be motivated to have successful interactions, the meanings in the structure should change. I don’t think it would be a 100% change, but a new identity will emerge (and new meanings in the structure to support this identity) that is neither the original identity nor the structurally suggested identity. It will be a hybrid, with elements of both. This is neither complete agency nor complete constraint, but a synthesis of the two.
Is this answering your question, or am I misunderstanding you?
It’s great to have someone question this so I can think through more of my logic!

]]> By: pitse1eh http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/emerging-choices-and-constraint/#comment-95 pitse1eh Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:55:37 +0000 http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/?p=58#comment-95 Damn, that is a question from hell. I'd be interested in seeing your answer. I have an answer to asks me to discuss the history of sociological social psychology that I generally think would be beneficial for people to have (since there really is no book that is just on sociology). I'm going to think about your question and get back to you later today. It requires careful thought. But, I believe the answer is yes. Just need to think about it. Damn, that is a question from hell. I’d be interested in seeing your answer. I have an answer to asks me to discuss the history of sociological social psychology that I generally think would be beneficial for people to have (since there really is no book that is just on sociology).

I’m going to think about your question and get back to you later today. It requires careful thought. But, I believe the answer is yes. Just need to think about it.

]]> By: anomie http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/emerging-choices-and-constraint/#comment-92 anomie Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:26:17 +0000 http://mybackstage.wordpress.com/?p=58#comment-92 sounds interesting! my Question from Hell in my prelims was to unpack the structure-agency thing. question: if the relative openness of the group is what determines the amount of agency a person has, then is that agency really agency at all? more philosophical than sociological, but still... sounds interesting! my Question from Hell in my prelims was to unpack the structure-agency thing.

question: if the relative openness of the group is what determines the amount of agency a person has, then is that agency really agency at all? more philosophical than sociological, but still…

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